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Eltoquad. I would be very interested to see the post you made that has been omitted. Why don’t you resend it, then you would know for sure . And to Shear Pin I agree you cannot force people to join this organization. Although the rule AOMCI had to join the local chapter you had to be a member of the parent group did prompt me to be a dues paying member. Not that I was cheap I just have an aversion to joining any organization. My local group .The Western Reserve Chapter Has great people in it and I enjoy the camaraderie and the wet and dry meets. I started this post not to be a downer but to open up a dialog. As I stated in my original post we are at a crossroads. Like the Ostrich you can’t put your head in the sand and hope the problem goes away. Sincerely Bill,